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Sunday, December 30, 2012

Quote of the year?

"Our culture has accepted two huge lies. The first is, if you disagree with someone's lifestyle you  either fear or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don't have to compromise convictions to be compassionate."

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  1. There you go again... This comment from Rick Warren seems to overlook one of Christianity's primary concepts--that of judgment.

    When you judge someone's behavior or lifestlye to be "disagreeable", then that means that YOU have put yourself into Christ's shoes. You have given yourself the supernatural ability to look at someone else through Christ's eyes.

    And that's just not the way it works. You don't hold that power. Rick Warren doesn't hold that power. None of us do.

    Here's a quote that I believe would be better suited for Christians:

    "The habit of judging is so nearly incurable, and its cure is such an almost interminable process, that we must concentrate ourselves for a long while on keeping it in check, and this check is to be found in kind interpretations. We must come to esteem very lightly our sharp eye for evil, on which perhaps we once prided ourselves as cleverness. We must look at our talent for analysis of character as a dreadful possibility of huge uncharitableness. We are sure to continue to say clever things, so long as we continue to indulge in this analysis; and clever things are equally sure to be sharp and acid. We must grow to something higher, and something truer, than a quickness in detecting evil." (Frederick W. Faber)

    Tom Cogburn
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    1. Tom,
      Again you want to live in a world where there is absolutely no sin and no judgement other then your own. You wish to be your own God. There is only one God and I hate to let you down but you are not he. There are rules. There is sin and the bible is the guidebook to tell you what those sins are. Now you may not like it and at times neither do I as we are all fallen and succeptable to lead sinful lives. The difference is I admit there is sin by Gods law and I have done it. You refuse to acknowledge the law as god has set down because that actnowledgemet would mean you should shift away from that sinful activity and that is something you refuse to do.

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    2. Do you remember the segregationists INSISTING that a mingling of the races represented sins against God? They were so sure that God wanted blacks and whites to exist in separate spheres—separate communities, separate churches, separate schools, separate diners, separate bathrooms, etc.

      They pointed to verses and stories from the Books of the Bible, just like you do. They used the Bible as a guidebook just like you do.

      And don’t get me started on the pieces from the Bible used to support slavery and gender inequality.

      Generations— eons—passed before people around the world stopped buying and selling one another.

      Were they all wrong all those thousands of years? I think they were. Just as I and millions around the world believe this war against gays is wrong.

      And finally, as I’ve pointed out to you before, you know nothing about me. You make all kinds of assumptions. I acknowledge that I am a sinner. No one is without sin. It’s just that homosexuality is not my sin.

      And as I’ve also pointed out to you, it’s simply not your place to point out what you believe is sinful in other people’s lives. You are not Christ. You were not endowed with that kind of supernatural insight. So stop trying to determine what is and what is not sin.

      In short, stop judging others.

      Tom Cogburn

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    3. Tom, Senator Campfield is not judging you - he is simply responding to your questions, according to his Christian upbringing and his great faith in the Bible being the true Word of God.

      I have, for what seems like a long time now, been reading your messages to him on this blog, and I don't really understand why you keep harping on him about this.

      You gay people are the ones stirring things up, constantly insisting that you are right. If you are so sure you are right, why don't you just stop talking about it and get on with your business.

      Senator Campfield is a politician! People read this blog to learn more about issues before the state legislature. If you want to know more about what the church teaches about homosexual behavior, why don't you call and make an appointment with some Baptist or Catholic pastor or theologian, who will be glad to sit down with you and explain why they feel as they do, according to the teachings of the Old and New Testaments. They will be glad to sit with you and answer any questions you might have.

      You need to know that you would be so welcome in these churches, if you will just give up this sin and accept Christ as your personal savior. There are happy and productive homosexual people who are making contributions to these churches, as music ministers, choir members, etc. People know they are gay, and they know that they are, just like heterosexual people, trying to live a life of purity and doing their best not to sin. You would be accepted and loved and given, if you wished, responsibility in the church.

      The Catholic Church, and its teachings, have been around for around two thousand years. Even the numeration of the years going by are based on when Jesus was born. It's you against many, many millions of people - can you really believe you are right and they are not?

      If there is sin in your life, just give it up, Tom, and God will give you other things that are so wonderful, in its place, that you will wonder why you didn't accept his Love for you much sooner.

      Nobody is judging you, we are simply standing with the teachings of the Bible, for your own good, expressing God's fervent desire that you repent and be saved. We want you to come home, Tom.

      I think the fact that you are so often bringing this subject up is that you want to repent and come to the Lord and are just afraid to do so. Don't be afraid, Tom. If this is God's will for you, he will give you the strength and ability you need, in order to do this. And he will give you the strength you need to live a Christian life. We are all forgiven sinners. People in the churches will tell you this. We know it is true.

      In the meantime, why don't you just leave Senator Campfield alone - I get so tired of your going on and on, attacking him, again and again. And I'm sure that many others feel the same way. We love you, but we've told you what you need to know and you just keep resisting. Come home, Tom. You will be welcomed with greater love than you have ever known.



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  2. Stacey,

    So, Kim Kardashian married Kris Humphries last year. It lasted 72 days before the couple filed for divorce.

    Fast forward to today… The media is announcing that Kim is now pregnant with Kanye West’s child. Her divorce has not been finalized, so Kanye and Kim aren’t married.

    Why don’t you use your bully pulpit to go after these kinds of couples? You seem so hung up on same-sex couples—many of whom have been together for decades—who wish to get married.

    Tom Cogburn

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    1. Because it would be illegal for Kim K. To marry now.. The state has agreed such a legal union would not be healthy for the state to promote. By your logic you would have the state sanction their lifestyle as acceptable. Even beneficial to the state and its people.. Sorry, no..

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  3. I think you missed my point. Why is it that the state supports people who have serial marriages (one right after another); providing a pathway for people to divorce so easily?

    Kim K. and Kanye W. are involved in this outrageous lifestyle and I never hear you speak out against these kinds of people with the same vehemence as you do same-sex couples.

    In what way is the state benefited by offering easy divorce? Doesn’t that cost the system a tremendous amount of resources—time and money? And let’s not forget all of the family issues that come from divorce; such as dead-beat dads who don’t pay child support, which lead to kids needing state financial support and other services.

    How is it fair and just that the system allows for these kinds of marriages and divorces, but doesn’t allow for same-sex marriages for couples who have been together for decades?

    I read an article yesterday about a same-sex lesbian couple who live in a state where they are legally married. They’ve been together for years. One of the partners is in the military. But since the Defense of Marriage Act forbids the military from extending any kind of benefits to same-sex partners, they must live in separate quarters. The non-military partner is allowed to use the military’s commissary ONLY if the items she buys are purchased SPECIFICALLY for their small daughter.

    She literally is asked by the cashier, “How is this used by your daughter?” each time she scans an item.

    The non-military partner has cancer. The family must come up with an additional $700 per month to pay for her insurance. Every other straight military family would be covered under Tri-Care or military insurance. But because of DOMA, this family is not allowed coverage.

    DOMA does not promote the family in this situation. In fact, it does everything to keep it separate. It makes it more difficult in just about every aspect.

    Kim Kardashian can get married for 72 days and then divorce, and she’s entitled to every benefit and protection of marriage under the law.

    But this military couple—a person who is fighting to protect our country—who is legally married in her state—is not afforded any federal protections or benefits.

    It’s unfair and immoral.

    Tom Cogburn

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    1. At least now you are being a little more honest. You want the benefits. Not rights. Benefits are dolled out as they are of benefit to the state. A homosexual union provides little to nothing to the state other then increased legal costs and medical costs . As I have said, the homosexual lifestyle is not healthy and leads to greater expense to the state with little of benefit.

      As for Kim K. They did not marry or divorce in tn. We charge for divorce and mandate a waiting period. Fighting over what some dumb tramp does is not looking at the greater good. It is being pulled down into the mud not on an issue but a person. Similar to your other example.

      One thing I did notice, you mentioned "dead beat dads" only. As if they are the only sex that does not pay support. Is this a personal bias of yours springing from some personal experience?

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  4. I’m still not buying your insistence that state sanctioned marriages MUST provide a “greater good”.

    That’s not how our country was founded. That’s not how we develop our laws. That’s not how we govern our society.

    We are nation that was founded on INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. If there is no other comment of mine that you read, this is the one you need to pay attention to.

    You keep saying that same-sex marriage must produce a benefit to society in order for it to be recognized—that it must be for the greater good.

    Do you know that the “greater good” argument is a KEY component of socialism? Here’s a direct quote about socialism. “Socialist believe special people were made to guide the rest to decide on their behalf, what’s good for them.” Does that sound familiar?

    Here’s another one: "Socialism is the doctrine that man has no right to exist for his own sake, that his life and his work do not belong to him, but belong to society, that the only justification of his existence is his service to society, and that society may dispose of him in any way it pleases for the sake of whatever it deems to be its own tribal, collective good." (Ayn Rand on Socialism)

    You seem to be transitioning from a Tea Party Republican to a dyed in the wool Socialist

    And my comments about "dead beat dads" have no significant relation to be personally. My family was intact until my mother died when I was in my later 30's. He AND my mother provided for our family.

    Finally, you keep saying that the homosexual lifestyle is unhealthy. That's a very broad condemnation of a particular group. Do you mean ALL homosexuals are unhealthy, or just the men? Because as we both know, lesbian couples are less likely be transmitters of HIV/AIDS--even less so than heterosexual couples.

    And let's not forget about the 40,000,000 abortions you straight people carry out each year. Since the beginning of the epidemic only about 30,000,000 people have died from HIV/AIDS. So we "unhealthy" gay people have got a lot of catching up to do in order to be as destructive as you straight people have been.

    Tom Cogburn

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    1. Wow so many errors I don't know where to start. Our founders based our country on Christian principals . Sodomy was not on the list as to why we formed as a nation or the goals of our forefathers. I doubt you want to go where they would have. Put you.

      Government by its nature is socialistic. The collective pays for things it wants as a society. Things that are a common good. Like roads, schools, highways, a judicial system, military defense law enforcement. Those are not private ventures. They are paid for by the collective for the common good . That payment is by force. Don't think so ? Try to opt out of paying your taxes and see how that works out for you.

      As for homosexuals and AIDS versus heterosexuals and abortion you forgot to add in the other side of the equation. How many children were born out of a homosexual marriage or coupling? How many children were born out of a heterosexual coupling. You see heterosexuals benefit society by reproduction many times greater then a homosexual union. Those children are a positive thing for our society. A zero population growth is a quick way to end a society.

      Government realizes that and rewards positive behavior.

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    2. Stacey, why do you even waste your very valuable time on this guy?

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    3. I live in hope that one of a few things happen, either he is open minded enough to see the light (now or later) or someone else may be inspired to seek help or be a wellspring for someone else in need. Silence does no one any good on this issue. Good people need to speak out to show we are in the majority and right on this issue for a host of reasons.

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    4. You have a great many individuals who stand with you on this. We believe, with all our hearts, that the Word of God is true. We reach out in love to help people, we pray for them. Only they can make the decision.

      I've only been learning about politics in recent years, and I've come to realize how very blessed we are to have a person of your courage and integrity, respresenting us in Nashville.

      Please know that our thoughts and prayers go with you, as you you return to Nasvhille to begin the new session, this coming week. We pray for your success and for your safety on the highways.

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    5. You say that our Government was founded on Christian values. Here’s a quote from the 1796 Treaty with Tripoli which states that the United States was "not in any sense founded on the Christian religion". The statement was made in an effort to satisfy Muslims and was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams.

      Half a century after the establishment of the United States, clergymen complained that no president up to that date had been a Christian. In a sermon that was reported in newspapers, Episcopal minister Bird Wilson of Albany, New York, protested in October 1831: "Among all our presidents from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism."

      The vast majority of our founding fathers were “deists”. They believed in a creator. They referred to Him as God. But most were uncertain about traditional Christianity—not believing in the Trinity or in the divine birth of Christ. They called it “mysticism”. They believed that Christianity in their day was too dogmatic—too concerned with preaching and filling the pews and coffers, than doing good works. You can see it in their quotes on the matter. Go to the Internet and look it up for yourself.

      And the revolutionary war was fought to free us from rule by royalty, which held the belief that royals were appointed by God. The appointment of our leaders was not by God, but by the citizens. This was a clear distinction from where we had come from (England) and what we wanted to create in this country.

      You bring up sodomy in early America. True enough, it was illegal and punishable by prison or death. But keep in mind; these were the same “so-called Christians” who believed that slave ownership was a fundamental right. They burned women, who they believed were witches, alive at the stake. I don’t really seeing them as having a very good grasp on actual Christian tenets.

      Finally, with regards to the “zero-population growth”… Homosexuality has become a more openly practiced orientation than in previous generations. Yet our population has not dwindled. In fact we are at 7,000,000,000,000 and counting. There’s room on the planet for both gays and straights. In fact, maybe God is making more of us in order to help keep the population from growing out of whack. We already have trouble taking care of the world’s population. Many go to bed hungry or go without proper medical care and housing. Maybe evolution kicks in and begins producing more homosexuals, who are less likely to produce children, when the human population reaches a certain point. It’s just a theory.

      Tom

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    6. Stacey, you are mistaken to say that you are in the majority. According to a Gallup poll report in May 2011 “For the first time in Gallup's tracking of the issue, a majority of Americans (53%) believe same-sex marriage should be recognized by the law as valid, with the same rights as traditional marriages.” This was a 9% point gain in one year alone.

      And people aged 18 to 34, a whopping 70% of respondents believed same-sex marriage should be legalized; a gain of 16% points.

      It’s fairly obvious how this issue is trending.

      Tom

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    7. One other comment... You are supposed to represent the people of your district. Your actions are supposed to represent our desires for legislation and policies.

      Your election was not given to you so that you could go to Nashville and simply express your own, personal opinions. Your senate seat is not a platform for Stacey Campfield.

      Last year Knoxville was ranked one of the top "gayest" cities in the country--outranking cities like Atlanta, Portland, and Austin.

      Also last year, Knoxville was home to the largest Gay Pride celebration and parade in the state.

      And finally, our city council voted and unanimously passed an ordinance which bans discrimination against city government employees based on sexual orientation and gender identity.

      Stacey, you are supposed to be representing a largely gay-friendly community. Yet you continue to let us down.

      You are not in Nashville for your own enjoyment. You are there to serve your constituents.

      Start doing your job, or you'll be out of work.

      Tom

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    8. Tom, do you think the will of 2-3% of the population should be able to implement their will over the majority of the population. Please. Just a yes or no.

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  5. Tom, if you can refute these facts (with actual counter facts not just because he is a christian) let me know.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI55RAf_tVQ

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    1. Again, Tom you think populate equals good. Wrong. And one poll (gallop at that) is not worth much.

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    2. We are the most educated group of people in our history. We have more high school and college graduates now than any time before in our past.

      So, I don’t think that people are just blindly following trends. These are thoughtful, educated people who support same-sex marriage and LGBT rights. Even evangelicals Christian support has increased from 11.9% to 20.2% over the past 7 years.

      You seem to think that only legislators make laws. You forget that voters make laws too. So, popular support for same-sex marriage will continue to make changes across the country; that is if the Supreme Court doesn’t strike down DOMA before the states make changes.

      Tom

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    3. I’ll watch it when I have time, then I’ll get back to you.

      Tom

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    4. Sorry. No . Voters do not make laws. At least not in Tennessee they don't. We do not have a referendum system in Tennessee except on constitutional amendments and those have to be passed bu 2/3 in the legislature before they can go to the people.

      If you think 2 or 3 % of the people should have the ability to impose their will over the majority then you should have no problem with anyone who says they have the right to impose laws as they see fit as long as over 3 % supports it. I am sure by no matter what poll you look at that threshold has been met by me. So much for your "popular makes it right" argument.

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  6. Stacey,

    1.) Here’s how the voters of TN make decisions on the issues… We vote out people who we do not want to represent us. We vote for people who we do want to represent us.
    And even though Tennessee is a fairly conservative state, the numbers are showing that the far right is a disappearing breed. You guys may have a strangle hold on this state for now, but it won’t always be that way.

    2.) You puzzle me… First you don’t think that 2% to 3% should be able to ask for the same rights and protections that other citizens enjoy. But then you seem to have no trouble being in a state where only 99 representatives and 33 senators make decisions for some 6,400,000 Tennesseans. That means that only something like .0020% of Tennesseans get to vote on state issues that are important to the rest of us.

    3.) As I’ve said earlier, LGBT rights are being passed in every corner of the country. It is happening whether you like it or not. You can either be for it or against it. I, frankly, do not care.

    Tom

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  7. 1. Yes, we are such a diminishing breed our numbers have gone down from 46 members in the house to 77. We have dropped from 16 members in the senate all the way down to 26 in less then a decade. I am crushed How will we ever survive??

    2. That is how our system is set up members of the legislature a very small body make up the laws for the land the people do not make up the laws they only pick their representatives. Equal rights under the law are different than what you're asking for you are asking for special rights and new definitions under the law how many times do we have to go over this???

    3. You are correct Tom LGBT laws are being passed in many states I've shown you an example of what those laws create and what happens when those laws are implemented it's not a pretty picture.

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